Yes. I fell off the radar… again.
K gifted me my annual dose of mucus-filled ick. She’s generous like that.
As a result of her own case of ick, the fortnight annual leave expanded into 3 weeks. The downside of the elongated extra company was that the first 2 weeks of my Big Scary Creative Writing Course has gotten off to a bit of a false start. The upside is that between all the coughing, spluttering and snotting, we’ve actually managed to complete around 80% of this year’s Christmas shopping. Joy.
So, besides buying pressies amidst a flurry of Kleenex, Post-It Notes and an industrial-sized tub of Vicks Vapo-Rub, what the Chuffin’ Nora have you been doing with yourself whilst skiving off from blogging for almost a bleeding fortnight, I hear you ask?
In truth, trying to find the most suitable way to broach a well-worn subject: Copyright/ownership on the Internet. I’ve written and re-written this post countless times and for the life of me, it just doesn’t seem to want to come out “right”.
You see, Flickr is very much “bring your own” type of get together, our photos are the bottle of plonk that we take to the Flickr house-party, if you will.
The thing is, once we’ve come in, chucked our coats on the bed and the booze on the kitchen counter, can we really in a room/house packed with names and faces we might recognise but don’t necessarily really know, be aware as to who’s drinking what or if some cheap swine’s necking the Bailey’s you brought along thus, leaving you all night nursing a White Lightening and Cherryade? Admittedly, we all brought along something in the spirit of being “social” with it, but let’s face it, no-one enjoys bringing a £15 bottle and then spending the night drinking a dodgy alcopop so cheap it would turn you blind. And right now, I’m starting to feel like I’ve been lumbered with some ropey home-brewed hooch whilst some joker has a “double” on me.
There’s been much noise of late about Flickr streams. Permissions, exploitation of people’s children, theft and copyright infringement. Just in the last week or so, one of my all-time favourite bloggers has had to resort to setting her beautiful photographic illustrations of young family life to “private”, conduct a mass screening of her audience and compile a “safe list”. All of which, was seemingly carried out in fear of the Flickr/Orkut-related controversy involving the illegal theft and exploitation of photos depicting young children. I don’t wish to comment on this particular controversy as I’m currently only on the fringes of understanding the events surrounding it (having only read from a handful of sources) and I think a topic that gargantuan in size and importance needs a whole other blog to itself in order to do it justice.
One point such controversies highlight is that by publishing our photographs online, we open work up to every unscrupulous whim of Mr/Ms. Random Internet-Stranger.
Flickr, by definition, is a photo “sharing” utility and for the most part, people get consumed with the warm and fuzzy community building of it all perhaps forgetting that “share” has more than one definition:
share /ʃɛər/ .
–verb (used with object)
to use, participate in, enjoy, receive, etc., jointly: The two chemists shared the Nobel prize.
–verb (used without object)
to have a share or part; take part (often fol. by in).–noun
the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or contributed or owed by an individual or group.Source: Dictionary.com
“Share” in its verb form, involves us all doing a bit of a “Show and Tell” and playing together nicely in a big group hug. Bless. Let’s consider that second definition. You know, the one I’ve bolded that involves everyone staking a claim on a piece of the action.
It seems that some of the less desirable Flickr users are opting to blatantly ignore any presence of copyright statements and the terms of various publishing and distribution licenses and are instead taking the attitude of “Well, if they’re ‘sharing’ it for free and if it’s free to look at, it must be free to keep and do as I wish with too”.
Well no, actually. It’s fucking not.
You, you degenerate streak of piss. Yes, I’m talking to YOU that goes by at least 3 different identities on eBay, you stole literally hundreds of photos from dozens of different Flickrstreams, including my very own. You then claimed them as your own and sold them on eBay time and time and time again (as of today, I’ve counted at least 56 times in total). All the while, not only did you not have the permission of the original photographers, but you then had the bare-faced gall to state in each listing:
(Note — any prints produced must be made for personal use only
and are not to be sold on ebay or elsewhere. All images remain copyright of [insert alias here].)
No, they don’t retain your copyright, they retain MINE and every other poor bastard that publishes their gig photos online for free, without any form of financial gain, that you’ve subsequently stolen from. How DARE you take my photos and SELL them for a fee? How dare you market them as if they are yours only to then sell ME low resolution versions of MY OWN damn photos?
Yes, that’s right folks. I paid for my own photos. Shit, low res, Flickrstream versions of the very same photos that are still to this day sitting on my memory card in my camera. You couldn’t make it up.
The particular photographs I’m referring to were taken by K and I on the 7th August 2007 at a Prince concert and can no longer be found on my Flickr account in accordance with this request released a week later on the 13th August 2007 by Prince’s camp:
We r respectfully asking fans and fansites 2 abide by the per4mers and the management’s wishes… please do not use cameras of any sort 2 record Prince’s per4mances at the O2. We r respectfully asking the fansites not 2 host any of the photographs obtained in this manner. Thank u 4 ur support.
© 3121.com
My photos were removed in line with this respectful request and my camera stayed at home for the rest of the tour, although it appears the photos were ganked during that week and have been sold for a current collective grand total nearing £300.
When I first saw the listing on eBay, I recognised some of the photos from those posted by members at Prince fansites HQ and The Org. Naturally (naively?), I took this to imply that the seller/photographer must have been a member of the sites. This is nothing unusual. Just last week, I bought Prince CDs and DVDs from people I’ve since come to realise are fellow ‘Quakers/Orgers and we’ve gone on to have nice little Fam1 chats about gigs, albums and so on.
Upon receiving the hundreds of images that belonged to countless fans that probably don’t even realise their possessions are being exploited and clocking what was going on, I reported this person to PayPal and eBay and kicked off until I got my money back. Within literally a couple of minutes of me filing a PayPal dispute for fraudulent goods, the spineless weasel issued a full refund. Sadly, eBay doesn’t seem to give a shit and despite my complaints, has continued to let this person rake in hundreds of pounds using stolen photos.
And, it’s not just Prince gigs. This person is selling photos from countless other shows by various other “big name” artists that were no doubt sourced in the same way. This person is making a fucking mint from the comfort of his computer chair and all he had to do was right-click his mouse/use “print screen”.
For all of you that haven’t quite “fallen in” yet, the fact that all my photos were uploaded under a full Copyright license and my Flickr permissions were set to disallow downloads count for nothing. Not a sausage. Same goes for yours too. It appears people can do whatever they like, regardless of whether you bother to notify anyone of copyright infringement. Nice.
Admittedly, my images were set to “public” (meaning that any passer-by could see them), but there is actually hardly any point in setting images on Flickr as “Friends and Family” or “Private”. Why? Because Flickr’s permission and privacy settings are an absolute joke. Don’t believe me? Let me demonstrate:
Recently, whilst K was on annual leave, we went to Southend On Scum for the day. A chance to reminisce, eat “proper” fish and chips and try our luck on the fruit machines. It pissed with rain, blew gale force winds and cost a bleeding fortune. Whilst we were there, I thought it would be “funny” to document just how rotten it was and took this photo of the beach: see this photo on its Flickr page.
What’s that? You can’t see the Flickr page? That’s because I’ve given the photo Flickr’s highest privacy rating (me only).
But hang on a minute, try using the image’s actual URL instead.
What now? You can see an image of a pissy, dirty beach in the middle of September, even though I didn’t change the permissions and only I should see the photo? Wow. With privacy like that, it’s no wonder all those Mums set their photos to “Friends and Family” to safeguard their kids. They’re as safe as houses now. Origami houses, I mean.
Is it just me, or shall we all give up on this self-publishing lark now and just be done with it?
- The term “fam” is short for “family” and is the preferred term, when referring to a Prince Fan, as Prince has voiced his dislike of the word “fan” due to it being derived from the word “fanatic” [back]
A full-time wheelchair user since 1998, Claire lives in an adapted bungalow in England with her Partner of 10 years and their two dogs: 















What the hell type of “request” was that from 3121.com..? Since when was chatspeak either polite, comprehensible or indeed even entertained at even a semi-professional level…?
Sorry, off topic I know, but..it makes them sound..well..I can’t find the coherent words for it..:lol:
Karl: The “chat speak” is commonly referred to in “fam” circles as “Princebonics” — the man’s been talking/writing like that for donkey’s years — looong before text messaging came into public consciousness.
Damn near all printed Prince lyrics and linear notes are written in that fashion.
(e.g. see here.)
Wondered where you had toddled off to again
Glad all is OK — well, semi-OK.
I don’t use Flickr for the very reason you’re documenting — any tit with a braincell set to GreedyBastard can come along and nab all your photos — not that my photos are as good as yours, mine are just random family stuff, but none the less.
But to find a twat actually selling them… Wow… Words fail me.
And how brave were you taking a camera to Southend
Welcome back Claire…
An interesting post, it would be a real shame if the delights of sharing on the internet is to be spoilt by the minority who refuse to play by the rules.
I can’t believe the lack of security with the flickr privacy settings, admittedly it would be hard to get the url if you didn’t know it, but that’s not the point is it.
I just had a thought… Maybe you could make a little copyright signature, that you could add to all your photos (example1, example2), which you could add to photos that you didn’t want to be ‘free for all’.
I know it feels wrong that you should have to do it, but it’s like saying “I don’t feel I should have to lock my car”, when unfortunately it’s something that is necessary these days (oh I hate saying ‘these days’). I’m sure it would be easy to knock a couple up (one for light backgrounds and one for dark ones).
As my photos are spectacularly crap I don’t have any concerns about them being yanked, but regardless, the fact that they CAN be stolen like that is … well, staggering — particularly as I’d like to photograph thingees as well as you do when I grown up. As well you know, ALL photos of my son and family are private, but what you’ve demonstrated is just horrible — and frightening.
I’ve traditionally only ever used Flickr to back up my photos thanks to my numerous problems with my HDD, but I may have to re-think even that now and possibly not renew my Pro account.
V xx
James has the right idea — although no one likes looking at a photo with a name across the middle of it, it does at least give the viewing public an idea of the photo, and stops creeps selling your work on ebay.
Sorry to hear about the sniffles, but 80% of your Christmas shopping already done — that’s just sick
Dan:
Hi Dan
James: Ooh James, did you ever get my last email or did your spam folder eat it again?
It does feel ostentatious, but it seems the only way…
Vixx:
Maybe upload them to your webspace under a password protected folder or use installed gallery/photo apps? Pain in the arse though, innit? The reason I used Flickr was to get rid of Coppermine etc.
Imo:
It’s called “living with someone that has OCD”
— K’s made big achievements this year as she didn’t start ’til October — last year it was July…
Yes I did thanks, I have instructed the spam monster to leave any future emails from yourself alone, so fingers crossed he will continue to behave. Apologies for not getting round to replying, but I will soon.
Oooh I’ve just noticed the new tags on some of your photos. Good work.
James:
No need to apologise — just wanted to check the spam monster was keeping his hands to himself